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posted by [personal profile] leoniedelt at 09:19am on 01/07/2007 under ,
On whether Time Lords have the option to regenerate or not, Terrance Dicks said this:

"The Master.
'No, my dear Doctor, you must die! Die, Doctor! Die, Doctor. Die!'
The Master's face grew to enormous size. He threw back his head and laughed and laughed...
Perhaps his taunts affected the Doctor even more than the appeals of his old companions. The one thing the Doctor had never done in all his lives was let the Master have the last laugh.
Reality split, fragmented, shattered into a thousand pieces, a million choices.
Somehow amongst them all the Doctor chose survival."

The regeneration of the Fifth Doctor, The Caves of Androzani, 1984.

Newcomers to the series will be asking whether the Master can willfully choose not to regenerate - he can indeed. I believe that was referenced back in 1976 in Deadly Assassin as well, but i could be mistaken.
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posted by [identity profile] ponygirl72.livejournal.com at 01:30pm on 01/07/2007
An interesting side note-- to me, at least-- is the implication that the Doctor chose to regenerate, and live, in the aftermath of the Time War. Or, alternately, that the generally accepted fan view that Eight pushed the button and regenerated into Nine is incorrect.

From the episode Dalek:

Van Statten: And yet, you survive.

Nine: Not by choice.

Interesting...
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 02:52pm on 01/07/2007
Some of Eight/Nine canonicity is not explicitly stated and at times quite confusing, to say the least.

But its is a long established fact that a Time Lord can choose when they regenerate, or IF they do.
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 02:56pm on 01/07/2007
I'm not entirely sure that Nine was explicitly referring to a forced regeneration there, or just plain survival when he expected to die with the rest of them...
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 02:59pm on 01/07/2007
In fact, when I think about it, I dont think it happened that way, necessarily. There's no proof either way.

I dont think Nine found Rose straight after the Time War, that much is certain. I think he'd been wandering around lost for a long time.

My take is, Eight fought the Time War but i think Eight survived it. I think some point after that, in despair, he regenerated into Nine and went all PTSD, hermitised himself and hid for a long time, before he ventured out to fight on his own, to try and resume his life as he had known it before all hell had broken loose. Then he met Rose and clung to her like velcro.

That's just my theory of course, and there is no proof of any of it.
 
posted by [identity profile] nightbeast.livejournal.com at 07:44pm on 01/07/2007
My (also unsupported) theory of the Time War is that it was Nine that ended it, but because he was in the first fifteen hours of his regeneration cycle, he was ripped to bits and then reformed (as referenced in the Christmas Invasion).

Nine did spend time travelling before he met Rose. In Rose, we see a photo of him warning a family off the Titanic. Oddly enough, the Titanic is this year's Xmas episode...
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 08:30pm on 01/07/2007
Ah yes, all those photos that the northern bloke showed Rose while Mockey waited outside in the bug before getting eaten by the bin... They were all of Ecclescake... Proof that he did in fact travel before he found Rose.
 
posted by [identity profile] happydalek.livejournal.com at 02:32pm on 01/07/2007
In Caves, the fact that Five puts off his regeneration til the end says a lot about the affect of willpower on regeneration. To me, the Master's behavior was no different that Fivey's on Morgus' ship. Still made me pull my hair out in frustration, though. You can't kill the Master! Noes!!1!
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 02:54pm on 01/07/2007
Yep. Fivey held it at bay, to save the life of one human being. To make up for all those he let down, including Adric. He held it until he couldn't hold it any longer, and in the wake of the Master laughing at him, he chose to live again.

I love Circular Time: Winter's take on this issue. Its beautiful. To hear Five being given a purpose again after nearly resigning himself, to KNOW that he CHOSE to become loudly colourful Six, its lovely. Paul Cornell is made of win, oh yes.
 
posted by [identity profile] happydalek.livejournal.com at 07:03pm on 01/07/2007
'Winter' was an absolute trip! I loved the hint-hint references about seeing all those colors in the Watcher, and the pounding coffin in the barn...I was WTF?-ing most of the way. Very interesting peek inside the mind of the Doctor. So sad.
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 07:06pm on 01/07/2007
I thought it was beautiful.
 
posted by [identity profile] alawston.livejournal.com at 07:39pm on 01/07/2007
Most notably, Eccleston delays his own regeneration so he has time to say goodbye to Rose and explain the process to her (/the non-fan audience).
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 08:29pm on 01/07/2007
Yeah so the not-we would know what was going on when he went all glowy.

Still, have seen many questions in fan comms over the last 24 hours asking if Time Lords in fact had that ability...
 
posted by [identity profile] the-terrible.livejournal.com at 02:07am on 02/07/2007
Quite right!
 
posted by [identity profile] leoniedelt.livejournal.com at 07:43am on 02/07/2007
N00bs. They make me laugh, yes.

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